My current 357 carbine is a Marlin 94 from 1998. The object was to knock down all five targets in two minutes. This caliber in both the bottle neck and straight wall was a popular "high velocity" for it's day buffalo caliber. Please try a new zip code and search again. It shoots pretty good. Rossi makes various models starting at about $500. The 92 is a round-barrel model, with the metal bits in blued steel and the furniture in black walnut. by AJMD429 Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:57 pm, Post Joseph Von Benedikt shows his custom 500 and how well it shoots. I might have read your post incorrectly but I live in occupied Ca and I have a Rossi 92 (1892 clone) and a Taurus 605 both in .38sp/.357. COLUMN: Time to chamber more rifles in .357 Maximum I can recall a conversation with John Taffin, a fellow gunwriter of deserved great reputation. I chose not to raid the checking account for a c-note more and have been kicking myself since. That Blackhawk in .357 Maximum was a very short lived gun. JWM, I too would love to have pairs of 357 and 44 mags. It fails to cause antis to have uncontrollable, explosive decompression of the space inside the colon? The .357 Maximum was initially chambered in the Ruger Blackhawk in 1983 and was for a time adopted by other handgun manufactures. I sold my 1980s Marlin 357 in 1996 for 450 to a guy who would not buy a new Marlin with a safety button. I bought a new carrier and internal parts and fitted them to feed a loaded 357 Maximum. Sellier, who established the company in Prague in 1825 and began manufacturing percussion caps for use in muskets and rifles. AS ALWAYS, START ABOUT 10% LOW AND WORK UP! Reloading The .357 Magnum - Reload Ammo The trigger is even really nice for a lever gun and I own a bunch of them. The .357 Maximum was introduced into commercial production as a joint-venture by Remington Arms Company and Ruger in 1983 as a new chambering for the Ruger Blackhawk. Dies, a dipper set and some components and you are gtg. Instead of repeating all the details, Ill just post the link below. Getting old aint easy. The resulting airspace does no good. I never got to shoot either. Id buy another Henry in a heartbeat, if my gun safe werent replete with levers already. Yes, they can, of course, be fired farther, but the design, mass and speed of the bullets are what really determine effective range. Every time TTAG runs a lever gun article I want one. Probably because the articles title was the 5 best RIFLES, not handguns. Finally needed cash and sold it to a collector of old west guns. What would be the right bullet? Head to the range this week with American Rifleman staff as they discuss a trim little repeater from Savage Arms that comes chambered for the .22 WMR cartridge. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Top 5 Best .357 Magnum Lever-Action Rifles In 2023 Reviews - TheGunZone BTW, next to .357 Mag in the combo, my next favorite choice would be the set in .44 Mag. It loads long, with a cartridge overall length (COL) of 2.145 inches, well over the published max COL of 1.990 inches. ALL factory handgun ammo is impossible to obtain now in the Covid 19 and Defund the Police world we live in now. I bought a used Marlin 94c 357 in June, 2020 for $600, in 98% condition. I have become a fan. Or if you are willing to pay $1500-1,750 you get a Mikoru Japan made Winchester 92 Takedown rifle. Finding component will likely be tough though. A 20 1892 weighs just over 6 lbs loaded. And they repeat that statement in the new book about Samuel Colt. My standard rule for maximum pressure that I have gone by for over 35 years is to take pressures to the point where a slight crater (ridge) begins to appear around the firing pin indent, then back off to just below that point. Here are links for the articles Ive posted over the years; enjoy! Use only MAGNUM Rifle primers in .357 Maximum loads. I make do with a 336 Marlin in .35 Rem. Guns can be fun. I know its not the answer you want, but it gets you to the same place. They both have Constitutional carry! This is because revolvers allow a certain amount of gas to escape as the bullet jumps from the cylinder to the forcing cone, meaning lost pressure. Im a wee bit envious. Im still waiting for someone to make a 357 in. I was looking for a 357 trapper at Dons gun in Indy in the early 90s. Remington is the only manufacturer of brass for this caliber, but Hornady, Speer, Sierra, Remington, Winchester, and several other manufacturers make bullets that work well for the cartridge. lever gun that I own and have ever shot, easy on the arms and has some versatility. I wish I had bought more..or kept more ..lol. Nostalgia isnt relevance. Both are top performers. It should be noted the original loadings of the 357 mag were to 45,000 psi, but when the smaller framed 357's came on the market the pressure of the loads was reduced to 35,000 psi. He cleaned that up. So its a one-two-three punch. Apples should be in pie. There are even night sights available from aftermarket suppliers. I settled on Accurate 1680 propellant. The .357 Rem. MAXIMUM RIFLE | 325 | 122 | Lc | 125.0022ms, HARRINGTON & RICHARDSON 158 .357 MAXIMUM RIFLE. Maximum Expansion HP 157 38spl 38 1150fps, Traditions Outfitter G3 Single Shot .357 Magnum 22" Black / Silver CR571130, Rossi R92 Carbine .357 Magnum 20" Gold Barrel Bands 923572013-GLD, Benjamin Bulldog, Ben Bpbd3s Bulldog 357 Syn, Uberti 1873 Trapper Carbine Rifle .357 Magnum 16.125" Walnut 342435, Uberti 1873 Special Sporting Rifle .357 Magnum 24.25" Octagon Walnut 342760, Chiappa 1892 Lever Action Rifle .357 Magnum 20" 10 Rds Walnut 920.129, Chiappa 1892 Lever Action Trapper Carbine .357 Mag 16" 8 Rds 920.335, Cimarron 1892 Carbine 20" Octagon CCH .357MAG 10+1 AS622 EZ PAY $126, Taylor Uberti 1873 Trapper .357MAG 18" Pistol Grip 10+1 550202 EZ PAY $147, Cimarron 1892 Lever Action Rifle .357 Magnum 20" Walnut 10 Rounds AS621, Cimarron Uberti 1894 26" .38-55 6+1 CA2903 EZ PAY $117. For them a pistol caliber Lever carbine makes a lot of sense. I believe Ive had more fun with my .357 Maximum barrel than any other in my T/C stable with the possible exception of the .22 Hornet barrel. Dan Wesson guns had easily-replaceable barrels and came with an extra in .357 Maximum. Joseph Von Benedikt visits with Aaron Oelger from Hodgdon about the unprecedented demand on the shooting supply industry. (I bought a Glenfield 30A at a gunshow for $200 about 5 years ago. Thats info that will come in handy. It is easy to load moderately for closer range shots and lighter recoil. The .357 magnum has never been irrelevant since it made its debut 80 + years ago. I haven't dismissed the idea but I'll research the best rate-of-twist for it. by 44shooter Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:34 pm, Post I think my Henry BB 45 Colt is my fav. Over time, Sellier & Bellot expanded its product line to include rifle cartridges and smokeless powder. Its so ugly I love it. No box or papers. But muh tactical! you say? This round is about the same thing as a 357 Max except for bore diameter. Pricey, but they take down to a package about 20 inches long without sacrificing accuracy and are very well made. It shoots deadly accurate and has amazingly smooth trigger action. The availability of molds ranging from 180 to 250 grains in both gascheck and plain-base bullets, reasonable recoil, rimmed for headspace, larger bullet to touch the next ring, there are advantages. It's accuracy is outstanding. You can find handguns in the .357 Remington Maximum, but prices vary. 357 Maximum Rifle, 225gr SBT | Long Range Hunting Forum Kahlil, was the Marlin 94 you just got back from the Repair shop made between 2007 and 2012-2015? The last time I sent a gun off for some work was a chiappa revolver 2 years ago. Maybe people will wake up and smell the coffee. The "little but mighty" .357 " Maxie" ! Its moderate recoil makes it perfect for smallish folks such as the ladies and folks with disabilities who simply can not stand the recoil of the various .45's. Rechamber to .350 Legend from .357 Magnum or .357 Maximum: Add $25 to mill/convert the extractor for the rebated rimless .350 Legendcase rim. In the case of multiple buyers for one item, customers will be given 24 hours to complete a transaction, after which firearms will be made available to the next buyer. Long throated .357 MAGnum barrels let you create space in the MAGnum case for the same powder charge rates used in factory .350 Legend ammo, 21 to 23 gr.! It was simply the .357 case lengthened to 1.60 and used the heavier bullets of 158 grains to as much as 200 grains. All you have to do is search the net for, I survived a center-mass shot from a .357 magnum to see all the supporting evidence you need. 350 Ledgend vs 357 Rem Max | Bloodydecks It might not be a good reason but thats not what was asked. Bottom line, if you get a Marlin lever gun that works and shoots good, and without a crossbolt safety, dont EVER sell it. 20170926..35Cal.190gr.Fury.Jug.Test - Copy1.jpg, https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2t-barrel-length-muzzle-velocity-and-accuracy/, https://www.speer-ammo.com/products/bullets/rifle-bullets/hot-cor-rifle-bullet/2435, https://matchgrademachine.com/encore-contender-357-magnum-maximum-load-development-results/, http://hawkbullets.com/bullet-selection.html, https://cuttingedgebullets.com/shop/ets?caliber=43, http://www.accuratepowder.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/WPHandloading-Guide-7.0-Web-REV.pdf. On the other hand, I own a .357 Uberti 1873 sporting Deluxe 24.5 octagonal barrel rifle and the thing is drop dead sexy, and fun to shoot. I think a lot of it is people who do not come from a hunting background and just want to look cool. Discuss. Not everything has to be tactically sound. I would start there and if you want more velocity you can increase to the max load of 19 gr. And of course the popular, accurate Dan Wesson revolvers came out with a long frame, long cylinder Max. 2/ there are other living constraints and issues that make reloading not an option at this time. 1,535 max: Lil'Gun: 17.0 gr. Then came panic buying of guns and ammo due to social unrest, and of course its a an election year. Dont believe me?? This is well within the expansion range of the slightly larger XTP. 008-E503829 | MTM. The .450 will really put a wallop on your shoulder. In this policy, they created a market for a more powerful revolver. Due to the additional costs of internet sales, shipping, etc., our internet pricing may vary from our In-Store price. It shoots factory PMC 158 gr soft points into a half inch at 50 yards. Hodgdon starting load for the 140 gr. Ill just be here waiting on .357 lever guns to be relevant. If you use 158-grain bullets on game, I highly recommend softpoints over hollowpoints. . 350 Legend vs .357 Magnum, which is more powerful? - Gun Tradition Joseph Von Benedikt is with Rafe Nielsen of Browning to take a look at a new X-Bolt series rifle. The finish is stainless steel with a black/gray laminate stock with checkered pistol grip and a rubber recoil pad. Im going to be very careful dipping into a little bit of political prognostication, but I think most of us would acknowledge that gun-banners have a list of the guns they hate most (cough AR cough) and that John Waynes Cowboy Rifle is way down at the bottom of that list. Suppessor equiped lever guns with Subsonic plinker ammo are a hoot to shoot. As a reloader, I will say that I have affection for the ease of use/reuse of straight walled cartridges and, thus, am a bit more fond of 10mm but, .357 sig certainly has merit. Joe Grine and I spent a day testing it agains the venerable .30-30, and the results astounded us. Other brands and types of lead core handgun bullets tend to blow up and not penetrate into vital organs when driven at rifle velocities close in. .30-30 is just a little unpleasant in it due to the light weight and stock. Marlin gets it and offers a true carbine. Put the .357 Maximum in a rifle or a single-shot pistol, and you see a new picture of this cartridge. Granted, it comes rather dear at $1,214 MSRP, but since the name on it is Marlin instead of Winchester, you should be able to pick it up for much less. I really am not trying to get a caliber war started but, I think the .357 mag is about the perfect handgun round. Did you go with the .375 Supermag rather than the .375 Winchester due to case length restrictions? Marlin made a name for themselves offering an improved version of the Winchester action starting in the 1880s. SAAMI maximum is 48,000, and in the closed breech guns pressures can be run at the same levels as 5.56 NATO, about 54,000 psi. I would think it would beat the .357 Maximum, honestly. So for me, the perfect single-caliber combo would be .357 Mag wheelgun at the hip holster, and lever gun such as one of those shown in the article above. Build a Ruger#1. If you want to. The least amount of trouble would be to buy a 35 Remmington and be done with it. I like the combo. This is not an issue for single-shot firearms, and the long bullet cleared the rifling in the pressure barrel and our T/C barrels. You can find handguns in the .357 Remington Maximum, but prices vary. Best of both worlds. The fact is, .357 lever action rifles are proven game-getters, as they are well-suited to whitetail and hog hunting in thick timber at close(r) range, inside about 150 yards. rounds much more than the .22s. . 2023 Outdoor Sportsman Group. It has a lot going for it: you can drive a 125 grain JHP .38 to .357 handgun velocities, its 16 barrel is just as handy as an AR, you can reload on the fly like a shotgun, its legal in all 50 states, not frightening to non-POTG, and is simple to operate. One example would be the Savage Model 24 combination rifle/shotgun. NEVER JAM BULLETS INTO THE RIFLINGS! I prefer flatnose or roundnose designs in this velocity range because they typically demonstrate better expansion than Spitzers at the same velocity. It's failure as a commercial load does not reflect poorly on it's performance, as it has become increasingly popular for handgun hunters and silhouette shooters alike. I always attempt to stay in the mid range of the reload manual. Although some may not find this particular gun relevant, I think there are lots of pluses. NEVER EXCEED MAXIMUM LOADS: Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for . Have as much ammo on hand as you can afford. Send your barrel or barrel with forend attached for chamber work. Many people download it and get unburnt . Had a lousy day in the deer blind once, in my youth. I would absolutely use it for home D without a second thought. SAAMI documents dated 2005 list it as inactive.. Like Chris, Doc, and Tycer said - you've already got the 35 Remington - which is, I believe the question was "does anyone make a Levergun for the 357 Maximum". Even though it was flawed engineering, it was the cartridge that suffered. Curious that this article features only the most expensive versions of .357 carbines. But alas. She relegates me to my Win 94 trapper in 45 Long ColtI guess I get by. You can shoot 357 Mags through it. Is 357 maximum as good as I've read? | Shooters' Forum tend to do quite well in the .357 Maximum. I only have a little experience with .357 SIG (a friend has a Springfield XDM in said chambering) but it seems a reasonable round. Whats different about the pre-lawyer ones? I have one, and they are very nice, but spendy, and very hard to come by. Because of this, many hunters are realizing the potential of the cartridge for hunting medium to large game. I take the time to dial in bores, do all throating separately forthe best co-axial alignment of the throat with the bore, and cut a few tenths of a thousandth tighter throat. by groschen1936 Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:29 pm, Post Which chamber to choose? by Old Ironsights Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:43 pm, Post While initially offered in .44-40, .32-20 and .38-40 (and discontinued for some time) a new version emerged in 2013 chambered for .357 Magnum/.38 Spl and a hammer block safety for safe carry. .357 Maximum SuperMag 180g Hornady XTP HP 1800 FPS 20 rounds Maximum, call Kurt Bellm at 970 433 9525. ), Muzzleloading Modern & Replica Pistols (flint), Muzzleloading Modern & Replica Pistols (perc), United States Patent Firearms Revolvers/Pistols, Century Arms International (CAI) - Shotguns, Ruger Blackhawk .357 Maximum, 1983, 10.5-inch, great bore, 95%, layaway, Rossi Model 92 357 Mag, Case Color Receiver. There were two major complaints with the Max, both having to do with powder gas erosion. John said that he quietly kept on shooting his Rugers in the controversial caliber. It took only a few rounds to actually erode (read cut) that section. OM56, cant disagree. I much prefer .30 caliber bullets in any of those platforms. The old Ford Pickup had that seatback that folded forward. What should the discerning collector look for in a potential buy? Loads published in the major reloading manuals are pitifully understated, going to only go to about 40,000 psi. The Big Boy Steel Carbine is competing for the top of my wish list I really like the color case hardened version. I am sure I am not the only one that is open to it but finds that it is not possible right now. It is also more effective when used with a long gun, where it is legal to hunt with rifles. im drawn to modern firearms for their dynamicism. its a different kind of shooting, fast followups, peppering paper or spinners, quick reloads. Id like to, but my current living situation and potential job changes/living situations dont allow for me to set up an area for reloading. Give me a blued steel finish with walnut, no plastics or laminates please!!! But that being said, your S&W 8 shot Revolver is a nice pistol. This allows, again, for higher velocities and energies than the revolvers made by Ruger and Smith & Wesson. Its not as slick as the old 19, but it will do the job. You get the best of both the classic function of a lever gun with modern improvements. The .357 Maximum was developed in the early 80's by Ruger and Remington Arms as a silhouette cartridge for the Blackhawk revolver. Custom craftsmanship applied to streamlined CNC manufacturing processes. by AJMD429 Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:32 pm, Post . Bullets manufactured by Hornady. $1,379.99. Brand: Winchester Firearms. The conversion was not troublesome at all other than a rebarrel and chamber job , it feeds with no modifications whatever needed. lets say it was well used and not maintained. 350 Legend reloading? | Ruger Forum on January 02, 2020: Recently had mcCullough arms Valley Grand, Al. Features Sig Hard casing (2) Additonal 12 Round mag European American Armory, Windicator, Medium Frame, 357 Magnum, 4" Barrel, Steel Frame, Nickel Finish, Rubber Grips, Fixed Sights, 6Rd. .357 Magnum - BallisticStudies.com In fact, a lever action carbine and a revolver in matching caliber is every bit as useful today as it was for the settlers on the Western Frontier. Or crushed and fermented into a crisp, dry Cider. They tried fixing it with a (I think it was either titanium or stainless steel insert) but the Jeanie was already out of the bottle and they were dropped.